i was going to stack 12g of 1,4 andro dermal with a Big1 w/ 6g of 1-Test added to it, 2 bottles of 1-T estergels by molecular to total around 600mg of 1-Test and 400-600mg of 1,4 andro for 40 days. By conversation rate. Awards 4. Increases Libido. Then you have enclomiphene citrate, but very few reliable sources : Express PCT is the classic,Why do people always recommend transdermal 4 andro or dermacrine for test bases? Does oral 4andro workRad 140 and 4-andro. Test is far safer and more effective and HCG and AI are dirt cheap. 1-Andro would be lucky to get you a seat on the Jersey shore much less win a real competition. I started at 100mg per day, then 220mg for a couple weeks. If you want to high dose LGD and mitigate the effects of suppression, the 4 andro would come in handy. I know 4-Andro is also a popular Test Base but the possible estro conversion is offputting for some. Using an SERM like Nolva or Clomid is always great but using M-Test, Sustain Alpha or K1ngs Blood will do you just right You will get suppressed, but the 4 Alpha will help greatly in that, its why everyone uses it as a test base because it helps with lethargy and sex drive. If you are planning on a Dry compound, like 1-Andro for instance, then a Wet. This is why you don’t even need to PCT on them, they aren’t able to fully metabolize in the liver to test. Adding 4 Andro to dbol is 100% pointless and will cause more potential for estrogen side effects without any benefits at all. Also, 4 andro is supposed to provide some potential wet gains on its own. Supplement Forum Supplement Logs Company Promos Supplement Deals Supplement Companies Nutrition Forum Weight Loss Forum Training Forum Pro Bodybuilding Forum Natural Bodybuidling Anabolic Forum Anti-Aging Forum. You're better off using dermacrine or 4-andro. Epiandro will definitely keep your hard and dry. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. ago. 00 out of 5 based on 4 customer ratings. 4-andro should squash those side effects. A prohormone that converts into testosterone in the liver, and it’s as close as we can get to an. Real testosterone is always, 100% going to be best. Only 4 andro or test Edit: to answer your questions, keep taking the DHEA throughout your cycle, even after if you want, but DHEA will not be strong enough on its own to recover your test if its needed. I hear that Rad140 anabolic ratio is 80:1 whereas 1-andro target conversion 1-Test has 2:1. ago. So I’m doing my first cycle now and I’m taking 1-test by hi-tech with 11-KT by iron legion. Awards 0. . Select_Cricket_7785. #2. "The real deal 4 andro test base for your stacks or for your bulk , as. a big pct is often required. ostarine cardarine and mk677 stack. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Try a 1andro 4andro stack instead of the sarms . Signs of liver stress are all addressed in your post. 76% to test and 4-andro is around 5%. It can be stacked with Ephedra, Epi-andro, Epistane, 19 nor. Much much nicer on you and the risks are much less since test is more researched then any sarm. Awards 1. If you are using multiple Andros, simply follow the twice per day dosing schedule, and take your. It contained a bottle of 4 AD (4-Andro) and Decavol(6-keto-pregna-4-ene-3). I'd. it's much more efficient. For best results apply 1 pump of 4-ANDRO Cream twice daily (1 pump in AM & 1 pump in PM) to the upper arms, shoulders/traps, thighs or abdominal areas. there isn't much getting converted to test to begin with. Mar 9, 2017. The cost for 900mg of s23, at 30ML bottle @ 30mg/ML is about $70. I want to run rad-140 but I have been told to have a test base. csa2179;3636857 said: Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards. Google that shitIf you keep seeing gains more power to ya. or 4 payments of $20. Applying after a shower is recommended, also timing one dose prior to workout may be beneficial. Go 4 andro, don’t use a post protocol as a base. Triggered products Address 0xF75B2C824f0e11F99C4974c233897cA680216b16Facebook group 4-Andro Epiandro 11-KT (My favorite PH of all time). #8. Upon. I'd go with real test tbh. We recommend you to take 200 to 400 mg of 4-Andro daily during your prohormone cycle. Search titles only. 4andro blows I wouldn't even bother using it. 1 andro and 1ad do the opposite of a test base and that's. Apr 28, 2016. Some popular SARMs you can stack with include: RAD 140 (Testolone) LGD 4033 (Ligandrol) S23; YK11; Stack 4-Andro with other Prohormones: To achieve even greater gains, consider using 4-Andro alongside other popular prohormones. 4-Andro is a compound that converts to testosterone is primarily used as a test base for 1-Andro cycles or any other suppressive SARM like RAD140, LGD-4033, or S-23. someone who is handy with injecting test, just could inject more test and forget about sarms. Hello all, I was wondering which would be the better non-injectable test base during a rad 140 cycle, 4-andro or dermacrine? comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment. And I'm asking for more of a recomp/lean gains. I would run a test base if I were you cause the suppression will be strong. Fine to add in although I don't see much point. So apparently 4-andro converts 15% of it's mg dosage to testosterone. InItForGainz said: Dermacrine is a standard test/DHT base, it'll help reduce lethargy but won't help to do much else. Even 5-10mg will work, there's some places that still use dbol as hrt. “After two weeks of ramping up the dosing you can feel the pop on bench,deadlifts and squats. 2. When you said you got fatigued on rad that's test suppression. I can assure this does convert to testosterone and can feel the effects gym aggression, strength gains, vascularity. It also reduces IFG-1 production which will help keep the. It doesn't aromatize and it gets converted to test for about 15% rate or something. Yes I have. Using Enclo and/or 4-andro as a test base for S23 is the equivalent of throwing a bucket of water onto a wildfire. 5 pumps gave me too much estrogen. I know there is a lot of speculation as to the efficacy of DHEA when taken orally. Supplement Forum Supplement Logs Company Promos Supplement Deals Supplement Companies Nutrition Forum Weight Loss Forum Training Forum Pro Bodybuilding Forum Natural Bodybuidling Anabolic Forum Anti-Aging Forum. When I use rad on trt it's so much drive and energy and a great sense of well being. 4 andro: 330 mg/ed. My test base is gonna be 4 andro 150mg (dosed twice) and Nolva pct 20/20/10/10. Go with Steel Supplements Reply reply more reply. I heard topical dhea like dermacrine is good for lethargy. Use the 4 andro up and never look back. 5mg/ml next week and had a few questions before I started. I grew up during the prohormone time when it was otc. for estrogen regulation: 100mg Arimistane (androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione) daily for 30 days. So you will either start the next day at the time you wake up in the morning or before bed. Hey all, Chuck Box here getting ready to start up my log with IML 4-Andro! Big thanks to IML and chez_meathead for the opportunity to log this and put it to the test. Don’t waste your time and LOTS of money on these like I did. Rad-140 actually is known to cause extreme lethargy after 3-4 weeks of use. 4-Andro is another oral alternative to testosterone injections. Epi-Andro is absolutely not a good test base. Also, for a test base I used oral DHEA, 25-50mg per day. Ah ok got it. It personally was my favorite sarm cycle. shots split 120 - 130mg twice per week. I asked here recently about test base without syringes (as they're highly illegal to possess in my country) and got some good advice re: test cream. If you’re gonna run SARMs at least don’t argue for health lol. Again, wanting to use as a test base. My cycle would include M-sten, dmz, 4 andro ( test base ), mk-677 Cycle duration aprox 8 weeks with mk-677 lasting q few months more to try and aid in maintaining gains Msten - 20mg per day × 5 weeks Dmz - 20mg per day × 5 weeks 4 andro - 200mg per day × 8 week Mk677 - 25mg per day × 14 weeks Pct nolvadex 40/40/20/20 start pct when 4 andro. Sleep (8 hours of sleep) Repeat the process - 24 hours will be covered by the second day of starting and so on. 1. i bought a transport matrix to hold the 1,4 andro. Those that have cycled with 4-Androsterone or other prohormones may take anywhere from 100-200mg of 4-DHEA. This reduces the side effects of SARM's, PH's and AAS's such as lethargy and loss of libido. It acts as an anabolic steroid without the adverse effects. 4. Russo talks about the difference between a testosterone base and an androgen base, especially if you're a bodybuilder who is just dipping their toes in the w. Running at base doses you should be okay though. Jul 3, 2017. Fucking nothing at all. It’s why they are legal. A Test base is Testosterone. Dermacrine test base: 5 pumps per day for individuals who are 200+ lbs. Also, epiandro stimulates the nervous system so strength gains are much better than 4 andro. Get the SERM and some Aromasin. If anything you can use epi-Andro or demacrine for a cut or 4-Andro or trest for a bulk. No ostarine will just supress you ,the 4 andro wich converts to real Test will shut you down complitely and you will need pct 1000%. 1-test and 11-KT. Test gel, transbuccal testosterone, or the test patch. Thanks. 12. But, if you insist on andro test base use epi andro. e replace natural levels) while 1-andro does the work. The only otc that could be used as base—and it’s a bad one at that—is 4-Andro. - 🧪 The seven most common test base practices in the SARMs community are SARM + SERM, DHEA, 4-ANDRO, Dianabol, HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin), Oral Estrogen, and Testosterone Injections. . SERM . Done andro bulking stack 3 months ago, amazing results, but just dont wanna take ph again, once was enough. and yeah the gains with sarms with a test base blow non test base sarm cycles out the water Reply reply [deleted] • I dont use it post cycle though because I'm not sure if it interferes with. Home. What test and dosage were you going to use?. ago. Rated 4. Just what I heard though, not vouching for it but interested in what people have to say. Super 4-Andro Cream . Rad is not a test base. Best alternative test base? Oral, transdermal, or 4-andro? Anabolics: 2: Jun 16, 2021: 4 Andro (oral) Anabolics: 3: Feb 10, 2021: Similar threads. Just be aware that 4-AD does have a slight conversion to estrogen aswell as to testosterone and Epi-Andro converts to DHT. Home. 15. NOOO it’s not test it’s 1-test it can’t be used as a base. Feb 6, 2016. It is DHT based and DHT lowers estrogen/prevents it binding etc. Dermacrine is around half the price. . This thread is archived. Apr 18, 2019. M1, or SD, which are all basically steroids and at this point you may as well just do whatever and get some sort of test base. Which his 4 Andro if dosed properly will do just that and effectively be an oral test base. 4-Andro and 7-Keto dhea source. ago. I decided to go with the AMS Anabolic Growth Kit due to the fact that it had really good reviews. kidguti2021. . Running it with a "base" compound is a much better idea. Use the 4 andro up and never look back. 0. Sep 8, 2019 #5 Megashark said: Well I contacted aggressive labz and they seem pretty confident their msten is legit. Anyone taken 19-nor Andro products, like Hi-tech decabolin? Just curious on dosage, results, stacking with other things? Finishing up a month of it and their 1 test. Helps Strength & Power†. It personally was my favorite sarm cycle. But it’s not going to make meaningful changes in the context of increasing gains. especially after seeing someones transformation on msten over at the reddit prohormone sub. Supports Blood Volume†. You’re already suppressed/shutdown, just finish the cycle and run your pct. Hi, in a 2 months I', m going to run a lean mass cycle Ep1stane OL: 30/45/45/45/45/45 Tr3n OL: 90/120/120/120/150/150 cycle support cabergoline I. ♦️TRY MORE IRONMAG LABS PRODUCTS♦️Super 1-Andro - here we go on s23. So your takin the prohormone to the prohormone of test. Funny, I got recommended Russo’s vid on topical 4-Andro just the other day and it definitely peaked my interest. 4-andro-diol is good solo for a first time cycle. I read that yk 11 competes with test receptors so I’m not sure what compound to add. 96 out of 5 based on 45 customer ratings. Hello guys, i would like have an opinion of wich one of this stack would be more effective for fat loss, about 3/4% bf drop without any muscle loss. We recommend you to take 200 to 400 mg of 4-Andro daily during your prohormone cycle. 4 andro converts to real test Reply More posts from r/SARMs. You will feel horrible on cycle once this happens. 1 andro is rough on some ppl. The fusion product probably contains at least 25mg of ph. I did a 12 week RAD cycle and used a SERM and 4-andro as a base and had an amazing cycle other than the fucking awful hair loss. And NO DHEA does not count as a test base on your cycle. The only otc that could be used as base—and it’s a bad one at that—is 4-Andro. You can take Tamoxifen or Enclomiphene to prevent suppression. In fact, this is already a Test cycle, and SARMs in this case is like a replacement for oral steroids. Each pill was 110mg, so 220mg per day. So that why you would have to take alot of it to get anything out of it, but its very estrogenic at really high doses. That being said, You could use 4-andro or another prohormone as a test base or use a. The idea being that they will be your testosterone whilst your body isn't producing much, if any, of it's own. Make sure to run a proper PCT too. (Developed an allergy. If you can do 2 of them, I would epi/4 for a cut - or 1 and 4 for a bulk. It is a. Home. It is best to split the dose into two equal parts. You want to see some conversion to estrogen so you don't feel like crap. About to run a rad140 cycle. Mar 18, 2015. Adding in Andros to a cycle will not stop shutdown. Feedback from its users show rapid gains in mass, muscle density, strength, and libido. Epi-Andro is absolutely not a good test base. Some examples of test bases are: Testosterone (in any form) oral estrogen pills/birth control pills, 4-Andro, DHEA, a SERM, HCG/HMG, and Dianabol. Those that have cycled with 4. Aug 29, 2016. Popular (non injectable) Test Bases. Valheim; Genshin Impact; Minecraft; Pokimane; Halo Infinite. RickyBlobby Well-known member. . Starting the 4 andro cream as my test base for a rad and yk cycle Monday so I’ll let you guys know how it goes. This prevents possible lethargy and reduced sex drive which can be induced by other prohormones. Do the full cycle and then pct with nova for 4 weeks. I am dosing 440/440/440 for 3 weeks of my 4 week Decaplexx and H50 cycle (18 methyl 19nor-test, m1-4add, m. There three legit test bases without needles. New. - 💪 A testosterone base is necessary when using strong SARMs like S-23, YK-11, or LGD-3303 to maintain normal body function during your cycle. However if you plan to run 5 to 8 mg per day for 8 weeks, it may not be worthwhile to take the 300 mg of 4 andro. 100mg of 4-andro is comparable to a low TRT dose of injectable testosterone. 4 Andro converts through a 2 step process to testosterone. What I personally would do is I would run that for 12 weeks and it would be based off of how I feel. Besides SERMs, I've also heard the taking a moderate dose of 4-andro (100-200mg a day) can be utilized as a test base when taking stronger SARMs like LGD-3033. That being said, can you use 4 Andro as a Test base? Yes. Any product that can NOT be used as a test base will DEACREASE libido. Week 6 - 20mg Ostarine / 12. Alpha gainz 4 andro TD is 150mg 4 andro per ML. I got the 4-andro from first Rat's Army and then IronMag Labs. Perhaps running a more suppressive sarm (LGD/RAD) along with 4-Andro cream would yield considerably better results than sarms alone with (maybe) slightly lesser negative impacts on the body to AAS. Mar 23, 2016. 0 2 cap per day AM-PM 1-4week IML 4-Andro (Test Base) 2 cap per day AM-PM 1-4week PCT: OL Sup3r PCT 2 cap per day, AM-PM 5-8week along with EA Clomiphene Citrate 33mg/ml x 30 ML (Clomid) 50/50/25/25 once a day at AM. Looking for a test base to curb lethargy with SD. Week 5 - 20mg Ostarine. any how, what would you guys suggest as boost add on. . A testosterone base is considered to be a form of testosterone (or hormones), that converts into estrogen. Felt like a beast and didn’t have any notable sides. you don't need test. Would 1 ml a day be too low of a dose for a solid test base or should i shoot for 2 ml a day at 300mg. #3. Reactions: PoSiTiVeFLoW. thebigt. What do you prefer as a base. We don't know a whole lot about yk11, so please be careful. 4-andro is a two step conversion to testosterone. However, the effective dosages are so high and you are just going to run into more liver toxicity. . What's the differences between all of them?. 4-ad is a one step as opposed to 4-andro that’s 2 step. 4. 3day = 2caps (or 1 cups) (day recovery enzymes - 3hsb 17hsb) 4day = 3caps. Not a compound with multiple step conversion with poor. Yes 4 andro is a base androgen you can use. I have the bottles of product on hand but I'm not in a big rush to run it. e replace natural levels) while 1-andro does the work. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Supports Testosterone Levels†. A prohormone that converts into testosterone in the liver, and it’s as close as we can get to an effective form of oral testosterone. I would use 4-andro or test base of 200mg. s use it for hormone replacement therapy. I would really recommend Andro-Hard it’s like 40 bucks and would last you 2 months. I am done screwing around with 4-andro and dermacrine after my last cycle. . 48. Appreciate the Clarification . 48 – $ 108. Awards 2. May 8, 2016 #9 subbed . Why do people use 4 andro as a test base? Dont make much sense, but what do I know. 4 andro or dermacrine? Don’t say use test, I can also get that. I’m looking to run the same cycle in a few months. Bottom-Kek- • 6 mo. Right now I’m planning on running 4 Andro and 19 Nor for 6 weeks. You’ll feel great on cycle with just that and you’ll definitely make it the whole 8 weeks without a problem. Just my 2 cents, 25mg should be the max dose of Ostarine you use without shutting yourself down. 4 andro is a mild test base at like 4-800mgs. 🧿 FULL SOURCE-LIST 🚨 ⇝ 🌟 ☽. if I recall correctly (And it’s been a while so could be wrong) 4-ad converts about 15. 4-Andro serves as the test base which maintains a proper androgen to estrogen ratio. I'm about to start a trest run here soon for my base. Side note: 1-andro and Epiandro are mildly suppressive and won't shut you down completely as would other more harsh compounds in the AAS world. I had done a baby cycle with 1-andro and alpha af but as you can imagine it did nothing so I count this as my first legit cycle. 4 Andro will give you more estrogen then test. You can use dhea or possibly 4 Andro as a test base because they aromatize into estro. Apr 26, 2016 #2Doing 8 week run, 4 week pct. Wonderful_Data_3136 • 1 yr. Op, another alternative would be to use more 4 andro and epiandro, or, drop the 1 andro out and replace it with something. If you are going on a journey - do your cycle before or after . Ideally, you do not want to eat for 30-60 minutes, but 30 minutes is sufficient. 2. Hi tech superdrol does have 4 andro in it which does convert to testosterone, but it has a proprietary blend of other prohormones like 1 andro, epiandro etc. Recommended Dose/Cycle Length For 1-Andro. 3 Western_Letterhead68 • 2 yr. It was in my apartment, I've had this apartment for 6 months and the guy before me was a gym rat. I see sarms as a high performance vehicle and a test base as high performance fuel. 4 andro (pro hormone) will increase libido. I'm not looking to stack the 2, or do anything stacking at all. There was a guy that uses Clomid 12. . Jul 9, 2015. so 4-andro at 330 a day ends up roughly 115mg test a week (trt dose). I do meal prep tho. Worked great as a base for an epi cycle, was running epi solo for a few days to get a feel for it and experience dry joints almost immediately. The second one is more easy to find but I'm having hard time finding 4-andro. ago. The logical approach would be to run 4-ad as a test base and 1-andro as your anabolic compound. Anabolics: 8: Jul 12, 2021: Best Oral/TD Test base: Anabolics: 42: Jun 22, 2021: Best alternative test base? Oral, transdermal, or 4-andro? Anabolics: 2: Jun 16, 2021: Best OTC medicine for oral nausea: Anabolics: 12: Feb 5, 2020: Unanswered Best Oral Bulker and. Which is actually beneficial to gainz/combating lethargy. You'll probably find a good synergy stacking those two, no need to. Sep 7, 2015. Nov 10, 2016. Not sure of the exact MGs yet but I'm thinking of running - 4andro for week 1-2 to get some test running through the system Then epi andro for week 3-4 to get some drier test And anavar week 1-4 Decent cutting. 99. 4-Andro is another oral alternative to testosterone injections. Yeah I have no idea how to even get real aas. Choose an option 4-Andro Capsules 4-Andro Liquid 4-Andro Tablets. ( 47 customer reviews) $ 79. Any product that can be used as a test base will increase libido. Every time i see the word “4-andro” it makes me wanna throw up. Rated 5. 1. 🌟 #sarms #steroids #dangers FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM : ⇝ @russolifts : The 4 andro "test base" will make you feel better during cycle but will make a solid pct necessary. Awards 0. 🧿 FULL SOURCE-LIST 🚨 ⇝ 🌟 ☽. Liver support won't harm you though. An AI is going to systemically lower what little estrogen you have left after being suppressed. level 2. Iconic formulations brought back dermacrine for now. Others are best when ran with 4 andro or other test base, solo they kind of suck and require a high dose that makes it super expensive. Jul 3, 2017. The base depends on your cycle as well. What are your experiences using 4 andro as a test base during a sarm cycle? Will using just 4 andro as a test base be enough to get rid of the lethargy and libido issues of. You should be able to better maintain your energy level and libido. If your running dbol you won't need a test base dbol with rad alone should be fine without running the 4 andro plus you will be running 2 wet compounds if you run all 3 keep an eye on your estrogen Reply Liver support won't harm you though. It’s taken for the conversion to estrogen which also tanks on sarms. ago. TEST BASE 26 ANDROGEN BASE TOPICAL 4 Andro Cream ReviewResults 26 Side Effects by Ryan Russo. Reactions: Rad83. You must take 4 andro because it’s what converts into test/estrogen 4 andro cream is 50 mg per pump but since it’s transdermal you get overall more absorption . 199. I got by with 4 pumps a day with the 4 andro cream on a rad 140. #11. 4-Androsterone is a type of chemical known as a "prohormone. tech just started selling 4-andro 100mg x90 pills for $29. . CryptoI have been trying to research test base for my next PH cycle that will start late October. Standard Base-DHEA Added Aggression and Fat Loss-DHT/Epi-Andro . 10-12 hours later, take 1 tablet of 4-ANDRO on an empty stomach. Try a 1andro 4andro stack instead of the sarmsJul 23, 2019. Tbol can be run alone with great results; It is however person-dependent. Running it with a "base" compound is a much better idea. Enclo makes the libido and T skyrocket. Im about to do a 10mg Lgd-4033 for 8 weeks plus 300mg of 4-andro for test base and im wondering if i should add cardarine to the mix just as safety…4-Andro would function well as a Test base for the RAD. Do NOT run 1 Andro with Ostarine/Rad 140 or use Ostarine with rad 140 that is just stupid. . So you will either start the next day at the time you wake up in the morning or before bed. on 4 andro from Olympus labs it went up to 900-1050. (4ad / andro - or testosterone) Hope that helps. 1-Andros are typically considered to be lean or cutting prohormones and deliver benefits like increased strength, increased lean muscle mass, and often. Eur J Appl Physiol 2000;81:229-232. Andro the Giant by Hard Rock Supplements - Ranked number one in the test base category for providing the overall best quality and value all in one! 90 tablets all dosed at 110 mg per tablet featuring liposomal delivery for maximum delivery/absorption.